Stanczyk just loves the artistry and historicity of heraldic symbols. But, it was a bonus! At the site was a 1764 map of the Poland/Lithuanian Commonwealth.
As a double bonus, I looked at the whole website:
http://www.wawrzak.org/news_updates.htm and it is a site dedicated to Szlachta (Polish Nobility). It has Polish/English text. Very nice find for those with blue blood coursing through their genealogical veins.
The 1764 Map is shown on the Maps Page.
100 years ago today my paternal grandmother Walerya Leszczynska Eliasz came to the USA with my four year old aunt Aleksandra (Alice) in tow on the SS Prinz Adalbert. She arrived in Philadelphia (for some unknown reason) and went to Buffalo to join my grandfather, Jozef and her two brothers and a sister. She arrived on the SS Prinz Adalbert from Hamburg, Germany (port) and her last residence was Pacanow.
So it is safe to say that Stanczyk would not be here today if Walerya had not come to the USA when she did.
SEE other related posts …
The Ship manifest was also very helpful with its markings that indicated citizenship papers and also showing she came from her father (Tomasz in Pacanow) to her husband (Jozefin Depew, NY).
The Depew, NY address was actually her brother Teofil’s address. According to my aunt Bernice, my Busia’s brothers had to go get my grandfather (whom I assume was working in Detroit). My grandparents were reunited in Depew and I have their century old photo in an antique oval/bubble frame with “1913″ inscribed on the back. It must have been a happy reunion, because my aunt Kitty was born in 1914 in Depew.
Ancestry.com has updated their app to version 5.0 (iTunes App Store). I like their newest effort. It looks nice and the User Experience (UX) is improved for the most part. I miss having a button for showing just the lineal line (not siblings) to save space on the iPhone. Also the UX does not provide ways to go up or down your family tree other than what is displayed on screen (5 generations on iPhone). Why no arrows on top/bottom rows. You can of course click on someone higher up in the tree and see further back generations from that person, but you may not realize that there are prior generations unless you know your tree well. No visual key that more generations exist.
When you upgrade you will need to download your whole tree again (does that imply their local db changed and needs to be reloaded?) and that takes about 30–45 seconds for a tree of 1,142 people. Small price to pay. I do wonder if the new app is causing problems for the Ancestry.com web site. It has performed slowly and sometimes the app says Ancestry.com is not available. Perhaps mobile app users are putting a bigger strain then online users.
It integrates more closely with Facebook. That did not appeal to me, but for some people it may be just what you want. As a result I do not know what happens when you connect your Facebook profile to a person in the tree (does it post the timeline to your Facebook timeline?).
Besides, Facebook, the app now integrates with Ancestry.com more completely. The app now works a lot like the web site. It does not appear to be missing any features. I like the new Timeline view of a profile … very nice.
The Gallery button on the bottom of the profile view quickly loads your images (much faster). It also automatically searches for hints too. Finally this view has a new feature to find sources (from Ancestry.com?) for your facts. Very nice.
The tight integration to the web site does mean the app switches control to a Safari web-app but the integration is so tight you might not notice the switch to Safari and back to the App
In Stanczyk’s first genealogical examination on Ayn Rand’s genealogy:
Ayn Rand – A Genealogical Examination — 15th-August-2012
I omitted publishing her citizenship papers, which I am now including in this article.
“Alice” applied for citizenship on 29th June 1929. She declared herself to be a Hebrew (i.e. that she was Jewish), not Russian. She also said she emigrated from Mexico (clearly a lie) and that her last residence was Petrograd, Russia. Her occupation was ‘clerk’.
I say clearly a lie, since her Ship Manifest that records her REAL arrival on, 19-Feb-1926 as Alice Rosenbaum arriving in New York City, NY on board the SS De Grasse. I just wanted to emphasize that she was a liar on numerous occasions when it suited her purposes. So I guess I can conclude that Objectivism includes a tenant of lying – tough to base a philosophy/economic theory on lies. That is not intellectualism, that is an academic fraud.
On March 13, 1931 she was granted citizenship. You can see her citizenship is 5 years after her REAL arrival. So what was June 29th, 1929 if not an arrival date? It was a return from her honeymoon vacation! Do you see how she twists things to suit her purposes?
In the original article I did mention that she collected Social Security & Medicare to pay for her lung cancer surgery & medical bills. I forgot to mention that she had applied for Social Security before 1951 (probably in the 1930′s like our ancestors) when she lived in CA. You can get her SS5 application if you are so inclined. I chose not to spend the $35 for that document but you can go to Ancestry.com and order the SS5 there easily enough.
— — — — — — — — — — Two more images of Alice O’Connor (Ayn Rand) :
Poland, Radom Roman Catholic Church Books, 1587-1966; http://bit.ly/X9qxJ8
Poland, Lublin Roman Catholic Church Books, 1784-1964 was also updated: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1867931
Also Czech Republic Censuses 1843-1921: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1930345
Add Family Search Wiki Page if your genealogy research area is Poland:
Images and indexes of church books containing baptisms and births, marriages, burials and deaths for the parishes in the Radom & Lublin Roman Catholic Dioceses of Poland.
Births end in 1912,
Marriages endin 1937, and
Deaths end in 1982 due to Polish privacy rules.
Gesher Galicia has really been adding content and also a website redesign of late. I am planning on joining this genealogical society. The reason is their projects and current databases, maps, and variety of resources that can aid all genealogists and especially Jewish Genealogists with family from the former Galicia region (now western part in Poland, eastern part in Ukraine) of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire (aka Hapsburg). So Ukrainian and Polish genealogists take note!
This little tidbit was found because of a PGSCT&NE posting in Twitter/Facebook. So keeping tabs on events in social media (or reading this blog) can keep you informed on the latest contributions by genealogists, the world over. Follow these societies and join them and volunteer your time. I am sure Gesher Galicia members knew about this and active meeting goers may have been informed, but it is now the Internet/Cloud that keeps the vast majority of genealogists informed and involved. Keep up the good work!
The Gesher Galicia website has an article by Alexander Dunai. Alexander also has another, more complete article on his website which you should go read ( http://alexdunai.com/documents/item_11/) on Tabula Registers and their purpose, plus a list of towns is available with this genealogy resource at URL:
The list of towns from that article with Tabula Registers for the Villages and Towns of Galicia:
|Bandrow||Bania Kotowska||Belz (15 vols)|
|Bialy Kamien||Blyszczywody (incl. in Mokrotyn)||Bolechow|
|Bolehowce||Brody (32 vols, 1794-1884)||Bronica|
|Brzegi Dolne||Brzezany (12 vols)||Buda (incl. in Wysoka)|
|Busk (5 vols)||Cholojow||Chorocowa|
|Dobrohostow||Dobromyl (16 vols)||Dobrzanica (incl. in Uszkowice)|
|Dolhopol||Dolina (10 vols)||Dolina area villages (incl. in Lopianka)|
|Drohobycz & suburbs (81 vols)||Dunajow vicinity villages||
|Folwarki Wielke & Folwarki Male||Gaje Starobrodskie||Gerynia (incl. in Witwica)|
|Gleboka||Gliniany (8 volumes)||Grodek Jagiellonski (11 volumes 1797-1880)|
|Halicz (10 vols. 1753-1886)||Holowy||Hoszow|
|Hoszow (incl. in Stankowce)||Hrusatycze (incl. in Strzeliska)||Hubice|
|Huczko||Jagielnica||Jaroslaw (50 vols. 1792-1892)|
|Jaworow (9 vols. 1792-1893)||Jozefow||Kalusz (7 vols. 1758-1822)|
|Kamionka Strumilowa (21 books)||Katyna||Kimirz|
|Kniahinin (4 vols. 1801-1885)||Kniazpol||Kobasz|
|Kolomyja (30 volumes)||Kolpiec||Komarno|
|Krasnoila||Krechow||Kropiwnik Nowy & Stary|
|Krystynopol (7 vols. 1792-1883)||Kulczyce||Kulikow|
|Kurowice||Kuty (18 vols, 1781-1888)||Kwaszenina|
|Makow||Mariampol (3 vols, 1807-1855)||Migowo|
|Mokrotyn, Smerekow, Przedrzymichy, & Blyszczywody||Muzylowice||Nadziejow (incl. in Lopianka)|
|Neudorf (incl. in Bolechowce)||Niedwedza||Nojdorf (incl. in Zawidowice)|
|Nowe Miasto (1 volume)||Obersdorf||Olesko (3 vols, 1798-1882)|
|Prochnik (14 vols, 1814-1874)||Przerzymichy (incl. in Mokrotyn)||Przemysl with suburbs (56 vols, 1799-1894)|
|Przemyslany (11 vols, 1816-1881)||Radziechow (2 vols, 1827-1874)||Raniowice|
|Rawa Ruska (12 vols, 1796-1882)||Rodatycze||Rogozno|
|Rozenburg||Rozen Maly and Rozen Wielki||Roztoki|
|Roztoczki (incl. in Witwica)||Rudawka||Rudki (4 vols)|
|Rybno with Slobodka||Rybotycze||Rymanow with neighboring villages (6 vols, 1782-1888)|
|Sambor & neighboring villages (69 volumes)||Sielec||Smereczna|
|Smerekov (incl. Mokrotyn)||Slobodka||Smolnica|
|Smolno||Sniatyn (vols, 1791-1832)||Sokal (vols. with index)|
|Stanila with Stebnik and Kolpets||Stanislawow & suburbs (99 vols. 1784-1882)||Stankowce with Hoszow|
|Stare Miasto||Stary Sambor||Starzawa Sanocka|
|Stebne with Dolhopol||Stebnik||Strzeliska Nowe and Stare|
|Sulukow (incl. Lopianka)||Szmankowce||Tarnawa|
|Tartakow (1 vol. 1817-1883)||Tarnopol city (50 vols.).||Trebowla (12 vols. 1803-1886)|
|Truskawiec (incl. Tustanowice)||Tudiow||Tustanowice (1802-1889)|
|Untervalden (incl. in Uszkowice)||Ustrzyki Dolne (1855-1880)||Uszkowice|
|Witwica incl. Roztoczki & Gerynia||Wojnilow (3 vols, 1652-1839)||Wolica|
|Wysocko||Wysoka & Buda||Wyzniany & vicinity|
|Zablotow (3 vols)||Zaleszczyki (4 vols)||Zawidowice & Nojdorf|
|Zbadyn||Zbaraz (8 vols)||Zloczow (50 vols)|
|Zolkiew (24 vols)||Zoltantce||Zurawno (2 vols)|
|Zydaczow (8 vols)|
Thank you, Alexander Dunai, for this fine piece of research. I will be visiting your website and taking a further look at your other efforts too. Very nice website!
The minions in the Email-Room dropped off a missive at my virtual cubicle today. Today’s question is about Polish Royalty & DNA as it relates to genealogy …
Hi, I stumbled across your blog and thought you might could help me. We are searching for my father’s ancestry and think he is a Poniatowski. My grandfather Andrzej changed his name when he came to America in 1909. The story we always heard was that he was royal. So I have my father’s yDNA markers but cannot find a surname project online for the Poniatowskis or other Polish nobles. Do you know of any? Maybe you can give me some advice? I sure would appreciate it! Thanks in advance for sharing anything.Sincerely,Kristian Krawford— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —
Welcome to the blog. DNA plays a role in genealogy in some ways, but it is NOT for every genealogist. It is due the certainty factor (I favor >97% certainty) takes you back beyond the number of generations that most people tracing Slavic/Polish genealogy can do UNLESS they have royal blood. Your question gives me yet another reason to endorse limited use of DNA in genealogy. I am in favor of using DNA in your case because, you want to determine if you have royal blood or not and specifically whether or not you are related to Poniatowski szlactha (nobility).
Now to the crux of your question. You have your family DNA and want to compare it. Ancestry.com has some capacity, but perhaps because they have so little Polish emphasis in their data, their DNA may be lacking from Polish genealogists families. So…
You can Google:
Y-DNA project of Polish Nobility families
That led me to:
This web page had a very extensive list of family names with their DNA markers. I hope you can find your markers in these that are available. Notice that is “Y-DNA”. The mt-DNA will not work for you as that is the maternal/mitochondrial DNA that is passed from Mother to all children (relatively unchanged, except by mutation) and the Y-DNA is the paternal DNA passed from father to sons (23rd chromosome). The rest of the DNA is called autosomal / atDNA (see Genealogical DNA test). This link is a good link for introduction of DNA terms to the genealogist.
The Getty Museum released on 14th-August-2013 over 4,000 images into public domain (i.e. free). According to the ArtObserved article on the museum’s public release made public on their Getty Iris blog, this is part of their, “Open Content” commitment of their digital resources.
You can search these images using: Getty Search Gateway .
Stanczyk, knows what you’re thinking, “I am too busy on my genealogy to search through museum images”. But I politely urge you to reconsider. While I was searching their images, I found a genealogical family tree, of Duke Ludwig I of Brzeg (amongst many other images he commissioned). A Polish noble of house Piast. So if your family tree intersects, get thee to the Getty Museum. For those curious, I have posted the images to this blog. The text is Fraktur looking, gothic, German script.
Other Duke Ludwik I, Family Tree Images …
Stanczyk has been a bit busy this past week with Oracle 12c (database) ! So forgive me if I play a bit of catch-up on my genealogy.
I have analyzed the data from GENEALODZY.PL in their GENESZUKACZ database for Pacanów Births (1875-1908). So now I need some help (pomoc). In my notes column I have noted the ELIASZ that I have in my family -or- my guess. The empty notes fields are ELIASZ that I need help with. If you are a genealogist with these people in your family tree then please email me your info and if possible any images of church records or family photos.
|1||1875||110||Wacław||Eliasz||in my tree; son of Wojciech Eliasz & Agnieszka Pyszkow; [image]|
|2||1876||109||Marianna||Eliasz||daughter of Ludwik & Elz. Miklaszewski|
|4||1879||20||Roman||Eliasz||son of Ludwik & Elz. Miklaszewski|
|5||1880||52||Jan||Eliasz||son of Jozef Eliasz & Petronella Zwolski|
|6||1880||160||Jan||Eliasz||My grand-uncle Jan; son of Jozef Eliasz & Marianna Paluch|
|7||1881||28||Jan||Eliasz||Martin Eliasz’s (& Julianna Odomski) son|
|9||1881||130||Tomasz||Eliasz||son of Ludwik & Elz. Miklaszewski|
|10||1882||128||Wincenty||Eliasz||son of Jozef Eliasz & Petronella Zwolski|
|11||1882||157||Marianna||Eliasz||Martin’s (Julianna Odomski) daughter|
|16||1885||46||Józef||Eliasz||My Grandfather; Have Birth Record|
|23||1889||109||Antoni||Eliasz||??possibly son of Ludwik & Elzbieta M.|
|26||1890||181||Stanisław||Eliasz||Martin’s son, dies in Detroit (Stanislaw Elyasz in October 1923)|
|34||1893||261||Agnieszka||Eliasz||??? Agnieszka Marianna E. that marries S. Hajek (Cleveland) ???|
|36||1895||230||Tomasz||Eliasz||My Grand-Uncle (Dorota’s grandfather); Have birth record|
|42||1899||79||Zygmunt||Eliasz||??? Zygmunt Elijasz son Jozef E. & Theresa Siwiec??? PROBABLY not since Zygmunt was born in Biechow in 1898 (April 19)|
|49||1903||95||Stanisława||Eliasz||one of these three is Emilja daughter of Jan/Pelagia|
|50||1903||112||Helena||Eliasz||one of these three is Emilja daughter of Jan/Pelagia|
|51||1903||175||Janina||Eliasz||one of these three is Emilja daughter of Jan/Pelagia|
|55||1906||141||Edward,Jan||Eliasz||son of Jan Eliasz & Pelagia z Kedzierski ?|
Stanczyk muses on the notion, does the British Royal Family need a court jester ? Perhaps, Harry would not want a competitor. Did you notice that the Duke & Duchess of Cambridge had a baby by any chance ? The Internet and CATV seems to have invested some bandwidth to this little story.
Here is the family tree from King George VI, through his daughter, HRH Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles (of Wales), Prince William (of Cambridge) and the latest addition, Prince George Alexander Louis.
Did you know that the “royals” get to pick their last name ? If you look closely at the tree you will see a variety of last names. We still do not know the new prince’s last name. His father Prince William’s name is at present, William Wales. So the new prince could be George Cambridge (or Windsor or Tudor or Mountbatten or Wales etc.). We are still waiting on the Duke & Duchess for the full name. By the way, I notice only three given names. I believe there may yet be a fourth given name as well as the surname. I also do not think he can be Prince … of Cambridge, since that is his father. Is it not true that each prince must have their own principality?
By the way, the baby prince might not be King George VII. The young prince’s great-great grandfather became George VI at coronation. King George VI ‘s birth name was: Albert Frederick Arthur George. So George was his fourth given name. Might the baby be King Louis ? That name seems to be a bit too French for the Britains to accept.
Royal Genealogy – so many traditional formalities. Just Fascinating.
Do any of you, my regal readers, have any Polish Royal Blood in your family tree? Any Szlachta out there?
Email me this poor jester (without a court) !
Stanczyk has been a bit busy since the 4th of July! So forgive me if I play a bit of catch-up on my blog.
A bit of bigos (recipe) !!
Let me point out that in June the Polish Archive completed their latest update on: ♥ http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/ .
Unfortunately, it did not include anything from the old wojewodztwo: Kielce (now in SwietoKrzyskie). See the image of the drop down menu below (not full listing but to give you an idea on what is in and how that is somewhat limited for researchers like Stanczyk. I hope another phase will commence soon!
♥ genealodzy.pl - They added the death records from 1875-1908 for Pacanow parish to their Geneszukach database. Previously they had added the Birth and Marriage records. These are transcription / indexes, not actual church record images such as you find in their Metryki database.
Still I have found dozens of Eliasz (and … Gawlik, Gronek, Hajek, Kedzierski, Leszczynski, Major, Paluch, Wlecial, Zasucha, etc.) that I was previously unaware of. Now I will need to get the actual images in order to make sense of these indexes and the new people in order to add them to the family tree.
Enjoy the bigos. Smaczne (delicious)!
Stanczyk is a bit uncertain. It seems like every day there are some new vital records indexes or even actual register scans themselves made available from congregations all over the Central European — Jewish, Catholic (Roman & Greek), Orthodox, Lutheran/Evangelical lands that make up Poland or a land that was once within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (the 1st Republic) or any of the variations between those times. So I thought I would step back and take stock of what was available. Yes, I know this will be out of date by tomorrow. But here is a quick & dirty, handy reference list of where to go looking. Clip & Save.
Poland – Archives & Genealogical Societies
AGAD Księgi metrykalne – Eastern Borderlands (Ukraine, Russia Jewish Pale, etc.) —
(scans by Sygn.: http://www.agad.gov.pl/inwentarze/KMLw301.html#idp1765776 )
Prussian Poland Parishes
BASIA - http://www.basia.famula.pl/en/ - State Archives in Poznan, the Wielkopolska Genealogical Society (WTG “Gniazdo”) project.
Poznan Marriage Project - http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/
Pomorskie Towarzstwo Genealogiczne - http://www.ptg.gda.pl/
All Poland & Eastern Borders (PTG)
METRYKI (parish register scans)– http://metryki.genealodzy.pl/
Szukajwarchiwach (Poland’s National Archives online) - http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/
This is the latest project and is shooting to have 5.8 Million records by the end June (this month) scanned and on-line by Polish Archive or National Museum.
Jewish Record Indexing (JRI) – http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/jriplweb.htm
The venerable project with new life provides indexes to registered users (free) and then you can purchase the actual church record. Great for Jewish Pale & Russian Poland, plus so much more.
Metryk.GenBaza.pl - http://metryki.genbaza.pl/genbaza,list,4,1 (AP GRODZISK). Archive in Grodzisk Mazowiecki (Russian Poland parishes near Warsaw).
Besides the 5 parishes below, you might want to have a look at holdings for:
Austria, Germany, Russia & Ukraine
|Poland, Częstochowa Roman Catholic Church Books, 1873-1948||Browse Images||14 Feb 2013|
|Poland, Gliwice Roman Catholic Church Books, 1599-1976||Browse Images||14 Feb 2013|
|Poland, Lublin Roman Catholic Church Books, 1784-1964||99,510||14 Feb 2013|
|Poland, Radom Roman Catholic Church Books, 1587-1966||18,916||21 Apr 2013|
|Poland, Tarnow Roman Catholic Diocese Church Books, 1612-1900||1,002,155||6 Jan 2012|
Did I miss any? Email Me … Proszę !
http://regestry.lubgens.eu/news.php - from Valerie Warunek (PGSM). Database of Indexed church records (birth/urodzenia, marriage/malzenstwa, death/zgony) from Lubelskie wojewodztwo. No scans (skans), but it does have record (akt) #’s.
Dateline — Philadelphia’s Ellis Island 1913 — Emigration to Philadelphia peaked in 1913. Good thing for this jester, as my aunt Alice (Aleksandra) and my Busia (grandmother) arrived September 15th, 1913.
100 years later her grandson is here! Full circle. Eliasz in America.
15 – September – 1913 - Prinz Adalbert
On http://genealodzy.pl/ Stanczyk saw that they have an updated GENESZUKACZ database.
My ancestral village, PACANOW, was indexed for BIRTHS (1875-1908). I was able to verify it was correct with my grandfather (whose Birth Record I have) and a few others. I also found some I did not know about !!! I only wish they had the images (like in METRYKI database). Thank you: Wojciech Liśkiewicz (who I think was the indexer)!
Later in the day they(he) also added MARRIAGES(1875-1908) too.
Stanczyk, was overjoyed at the announcement of the newest FamilySearch.org database:
The URL / Link is: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1968532 [bookmark it]
They just published it 29 April 2013 [after some issues were discussed]. No your eyes are not playing tricks, the FamilySearch.org website has had a makeover recently. It may be a unsettling if you have not visited the site in a while, but persevere, it is worth it.
Hurry and grab your dead relatives in case any controversy causes this database to disappear!
On 24 March 2013, I wrote about Gazetteers … and showed an index map of the Polish War Institute.
To follow along, visit … P46_S33_SANDOMIERZ map to see where Koprzywnica town is and its parish(es). Koprzywnica is near enough to my ancestral villages to merit an interest.
On 11 April 2011, in Ancestry.com, there was posting in the genealogy forums on a thread that I had participated related to the LESZCZYNSKI magnate family (and specifically King Stanislaw Leszczynski). This woman said that her family had a family lore about being related to King Stanislaw. Since this jester has that folklore in my family that has been echoed by 2nd/3rd cousins who also have Leszczynski blood, I thought I might investigate her (Ms. Rice) ancestors to see if there were any overlap with my own. Also since Koprzywnica was near enough that this could be a branch my LESZCZYNSKICH, I was off on another tangent.
I started with an Ignatz Leszczynski (the grandfather of Ms. Rice ??) who also happened to live Philadelphia (nice synergy with Stanczyk), because his bride happened to be a Sadowski (Leokadya Sadowski). So I found this Ignatz (Philadelphia) Leszczynski’s ship manifest and he was from Koprzywnica and was coming from his mother Zuzanna (a fairly uncommon Polish name).
On a lark, I said let me see if PTG’s website, genealodzy.pl has any data in their GENESZUKACZ or METRYK project databases for an Ignacy (i.e. Ignatz) Leszczynski from KOPRZYWNICA. Well they did and the year was a close match to the ship manifest. Well GENRSZUKACZ gave me the Akt# (Record #) and the year in KOPRZYWNICA, so I asked if the METRYK project had any image of that record … AND it did! Little Ignacy, was b. 1883 in Akt# 32 and his parents were:
WALENTY LESZCZYNSKI b. about 1849 given his age in 1883 &
ZUZANNA z. GAWRONSKI
Well that was some strong circumstantial evidence that I had found the correct parents for IGNACY LESZCZYNSKI of KOPRZYWNICA. The year match was good match to ship manifest and the mother was named Zuzanna, a match, and the birth parish matched the ship manifest.
Ignacy’s Church Record (#32) in 1883 also had a marginalia that was significant. It had Ignacy’s death date: 9th-November-1963 (Akt#57) in KOPRZYWNICA. So it appears that Ignacy moved back to Poland (before 1963). Also for those who tracing LESZCZYNSKI genealogy, I have outlined in a red box what LESZCZYNSKI looks like in CYRILLIC handwriting. I also red-underlined the Leszczynski name of the father so you would be sure that this is indeed a LESZCZYNSKI record.
It turns out that METRYK had the marriage record image form Walenty Leszczynski & Zuzanna Gawronski in 1876 (Akt #22) in Koprzywnica too. So now I had a Piotr Leszczynski as father of Walenty (Franciszka Bogunski was the mother). I found Walenty’s birth in 1849 (Akt# 26). From Piotr’s age it appears he was born about 1795. I did find a Teodora Leszczynska, daughter of Piotr Leszczynski & Franciszka Bogunska being born in 1835 (Akt #143). That was how I knew Piotr had a birth year about 1795. I could not find Piotr & Franciszka’s marriage record, so perhaps they were married elsewhere. I also did not find any other children of Piotr & Franciszka (other than Teodora & Walenty).
OK, so Stanczyk has found another Leszczynski family (albeit a common name). It is close enough that Piotr Leszczynski (father of Walenty, grandfather of Ignacy) could possibly be a father or an uncle of my great-grandfather Tomasz Leszczynski — but I am still a LONG ways away from ever proving that. My only saving grace is that Leszczynski in that neck of the woods, is not so common a family name. Right now, it is only a dream or a hope. But, I wanted to throw it out there and see if I get any hits from other genealogists. Email me!
Did you read Stanczyk’s blog from yesterday commenting on the AP Breaking News of the Russian Secret Service having tapes of Zubeidat and Tamerlan Tsarnaev (Царнаев) discussing jihad. I believe the Russians also indicated they had tape of the mother speaking to other person of interest to the FBI also. So go read yesterday’s blog then come back …[I'll wait for you]
Perhaps you may have missed a link from yesterday on the fine work by Business Insider. They are a fine source of news for what happens in Europe, for those who want yet another viewpoint on which to be informed. You should click on that link (also here) if you wish to see pictures of the family before they came to the US. After I had read that I thought I would write a blog on the school register, which seems to confirm the children (only four, although I have read another account of a fifth child, an unnamed married daughter in Chechnya). Alas, the AP Breaking News story over ran my composing a story of a school register. But here it is, albeit belatedly …
Line 9 - Bela Tsarnaeva, born 1988, female, Chechen, Arrived In School 2001, 7th grade, from Kyrgyzstan
Line 10 - Alina Tsarnaeva, born 1990, female, Chechen/Avar, Arrived In School 2001, 5th grade, from Kyrgyzstan
Line 11 - Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, n/a, male, Chechen, Arrived In School 2001, 1st grade, from Kyrgyzstan
Line 12 - Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 1986, male, Chechen, Arrived In School 2001, 8th grade, from Kyrgyzstan
The handwriting is in Cyrillic. So if you are trying to learn to read Russian, here is a modern version (much easier than old church registers in Old Russian characters/handwriting) — albeit still difficult for Latin Alphabet readers to discern.
So all children entered the Dagestan school system in 2001. They all came from Kyrgyzstan. We now have credible ages for the daughters and confirmation on their names (Bela/Bella, Alina/Ailina).
It is interesting that one daughter (Alina) had a notation of Chechen/Avar. Her mother was an Avar. Previously, all children were listed as being born in Kyrgyzstan. Why does this one child have Avar by ethnicity? Aren’t all of the Tsarnaevich children Chechen/Avar really — since they all have the same mother.
Even though Dzhokhar’s birth was not given, we know his birthdate from other documents (see also the first story) which indicates: 22-July-1993.
So for those genealogists following the genealogy, those are the best birth dates (or birthyears) so far that I have seen in news accounts. This data is also from a good source document, not just someone’s notes (or memory). Genealogy in the news.